E-mail exchange between James Moore and Timothy Good - March 2011
The following e-mail exchange should be read from the top downwards. Timothy obviously hasn't investigated The Meier Case in considerable depth but he did visit BEAM for 4 hours, he has investigated many other UFO cases and written some notable books regarding extraterrestrial visitation. So his opinion on The Meier Case should be known and his reasons for rejecting the truthfulness of it should be understood in order to further our knowledge of it and it's detractors. For some who read this, it may backfire and push them further away from the realisation that it is a truthful alien contactee case with a special message for mankind. So be it, they are probably not "ready" for it for various reasons.
James Moore
James Moore <[email protected]> Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:41 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Dear Timothy,
I read your Alien Liason book and the sequel and found them very enlightening. Thanks partially to your effort I discovered the most important ufo or alien contactee case that is still ongoing: The Billy Meier case.
Please kindly and honestly tell me why you never gave it your full attention? Did Lou Zinstag convince you to avoid it for some reason?
Thanks
James
Timothy Good <[email protected]> Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:20 PM
To: James Moore <[email protected]>
Thanks James.
I've referenced the Meier case briefly in a couple of my books. I actually 'discovered' the Eduard 'Billy' Meier story during an orchestral tour in India in 1964, when by a strange set of circumstances I met two people in Delhi who had befriended him there. I learned that Meier had fallen in love with one of the space girls, seemed quite genuine, and suggested I try and contact him. He had recently been expelled from India (together with his monkey!) on vagrancy charges (I have the newspaper article alluding to this) and had gone to Switzerland. I eventually tracked him down via his sister near Zurich and communicated with him by phone the following year. At that time, I got the impression that he was genuine.
In the 1970s, however, having spent about four hours with him on his farm, I strongly felt that although some of what he told me rang true, much of it was bullshit. I don't have time to go into too many details, except that I came across enough evidence to convince me that many of his later claims and photographs (i.e. when he was in Switzerland) were probably bogus. When I visited him at his farm, I vividly recall Lou (Louise) Zinsstag returning to Meier one of his photographs showing a model he'd made of a 'beamship', identical to those he'd photographed at the farm. He went red with embarrassment. He could have said that he'd simply made it after photographing the 'real' craft - but he didn't. I also saw a few bits and pieces in his barn of what looked like identical materials used in the construction of the model. He also ran a film for us showing him strutting around the farm with a ridiculous red "ray run", which he said his space girls had given him, and a hole made through a tree with it. As for photographs of the "Space Girls", you must be aware that these apparently were lifted from magazines.
Also, I did not like the man - and the feeling was mutual: he told Lou never to bring me back to his farm (not that I wanted to). She remained convinced of the genuineness of his story. And, for what it's worth, my feeling is that Meier probably did have some ET contacts (and took genuine photos) during his earlier wanderings in India, Jordan, etc., but that, for whatever reason, he was "dropped" (as have a number of other "contactees"). Thus, in later years in Switzerland, he fabricated contact claims and photographic material, weaving in some genuine information in with the bogus stuff.
I trust this is helpful. You might also find Kal K. Korff's book on Meier useful - Spaceships of the Pleiades - if you haven't read it already.
Best regards,
Timothy Good
From: eddie kettle [email protected]
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:26:00 -0700 (PDT)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Billy Meier.
Dear Mr Good, I have been a reader of your books for some time and would like to enquire if I might ask for an opinion re the above subject. I have recently been considering buying a book from the Billy Meier stable. I have been spending a fair amount of time trying to assertain the validity of his claims. And as I am of the opinion that you more than anyone else in this field would know one way or the other, could I ask is he the real thing? I appreciate that you might not wish to answer so will not be offended if you don't . Kindest regards, Eddie.
James Moore <[email protected]> Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:40 PM
To: Timothy Good <[email protected]>
Dear Timothy,
I appreciate your response and I will always respect your work in the field of Ufology.
You have some compelling reasons to conclude that Meier is not or is no longer a genuine contactee, however I get the distinct feeling that perhaps you did not get to the bottom of the case and dismissed it a little prematurely. Surely one can almost expect claims that are apparently bullshit to be spoken by contactees since we are conditioned since childhood by our currently Earth-bound and degenerate society can we not? And as for models, perhaps he did not defend himself because he knew the truth and let you decide for yourself whether to go further in your investigation or not.
Are you aware that there are allegedly now over 120 witnesses to various events that support the visitations of ETs even to this day? http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Witnesses
Do these witnesses make any difference to Meier's validity?
There are also the metal alloys that contained high levels of the element Thulium and the beamship-produced sounds that after spectrum analysis were found to be unreproducable by the available synthesizers of the time. What do you make of them?
I havent read Kal K Korffs book but the man seems to have been on a crusade against Meier since Wendelle Stevens refused to pay for his flight over to Switzerland or so I heard, but I will take up your suggestion so as to read all sides of the story.
I cant help but wonder how the Meier Case might look today if you carried out a thorough investigation. Certainly clearer if not any less controversial!
Again I thank you for your time.
Yours sincerely
James
Timothy Good <[email protected]> Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:37 PM
To: James Moore <[email protected]>
Thanks James. Re the witnesses, how many are members of Meier's cult? Somewhere I have a photo of him with a group of witnesses and there's an obviously super-imposed photo of a "beamship" in the sky above them. There are also the laughable photos of the "wedding cake" craft near a fir tree, so obviously a model set up by Meier. And the photo of the "Eye of God". Re the metals, how professional was the analysis? At least one of those who analysed his photos, was a dubious character (I've forgotten his name temporarily, but he was an American researcher friend of WCS. I've heard the "beamship" noises at his house and was distinctly unimpressed. And you must know that his (former) wife has derided many of his claims? I could go on, but I have neither the inclination or time.
Why don't you become the (hopefully) impartial and thorough investigator of his claims?
Good luck.
Best regards,
Timothy
James Moore <[email protected]> Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:09 PM
To: Timothy Good <[email protected]>
Hi Timothy,
Most of the witnesses seem part of his "cult" but there is at least one who isn't that is also an ex-Cambodian ambassador to the UN called Phobol Cheng. She apparently saw at least one female ET close up and many saucers in the sky in the 60s when she was living in India, at a religious school called the Ashoka Ashram, I think. Meier was there at the time. Youre probably familiar with her and the place. Would her word be of great value in your opinion?
Talking about the photos, many of them seem to be near a tree as if they might be attached to them but only the ones close to the camera. Its as if "they" don't want their evidence to be irrefutable! Or as you say it could be that they were indeed attached to the trees in question.
I'll be honest with you. I've been investigating the case as a hobby for 5 years but have not been to Switzerland yet. I'm already convinced it's authentic after reading most of the materials currently available in English. I'm so convinced that I created a website to collect together all of the available materials in the English language. Its at www.futureofmankind.co.uk
You probably now think I'm completely biased and pro-Meier. I understand your reasoning if you come to that conclusion.
Finally, what do you make of the latest release of UFO-related documents by the National Archives? Are these the tame documents yet again and why were the Rendlesham documents "omitted" from the release?
Yours sincerely
James
Timothy Good <[email protected]> Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:20 PM
To: James Moore <[email protected]>
-Original Message-
From:James Moore
To: Timothy Good
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Billy Meier.
Hi Timothy,
Most of the witnesses seem part of his "cult" but there is at least one who isn't that is also an ex-Cambodian ambassador to the UN called Phobol Cheng. She apparently saw at least one female ET close up and many saucers in the sky in the 60s when she was living in India, at a religious school called the Ashoka Ashram, I think. Meier was there at the time. Youre probably familiar with her and the place. Would her word be of great value in your opinion? Yes, because - as explained - I believe Meier had experiences at that time.
Talking about the photos, many of them seem to be near a tree as if they might be attached to them but only the ones close to the camera. Its as if "they" don't want their evidence to be irrefutable! Or as you say it could be that they were indeed attached to the trees in question. I didn't say that -you're confusing me with somepne else.
I'll be honest with you. I've been investigating the case as a hobby for 5 years but have not been to Switzerland yet. Well, what's stopping you? I'm already convinced it's authentic after reading most of the materials currently available in English. I'm so convinced that I created a website to collect together all of the available materials in the English language. Its at www.futureofmankind.co.uk
James Moore <[email protected]> Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:33 AM To: Timothy Good <[email protected]>
Hi Timothy,
So do you think that Meier had real alien-interaction experiences in 1975 and beyond?
Only a lack of sufficient funds stops me from going to Switzerland but that wont be the case for much longer. I'm the sole income-maker with a wife and 2 kids.
Saw you ABC News tonight. http://news.yahoo.com/video/odd-15749658/ufo-reports-the-real-x-files-24412312
Nice to see you're still very active in the media.
Yours Sincerely
James
Timothy Good <[email protected]> Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 10:57 AM
To: James Moore <[email protected]>
-Original Message-
From:James Moore
To: Timothy Good
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Billy Meier.
Hi Timothy,
So do you think that Meier had real alien-interaction experiences in 1975 and beyond? I doubt it, as explained already
Only a lack of sufficient funds - same for me - stops me from going to Switzerland but that wont be the case for much longer. I'm the sole income-maker with a wife and 2 kids. Good luck
Saw you ABC News tonight. http://news.yahoo.com/video/odd-15749658/ufo-reports-the-real-x-files-24412312
Nice to see you're still very active in the media. Those takes were from an interview I gave (I think for ABC News) in London a few years ago! Glad to have this anyway. Thanks a lot.
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